Style Icon at 80: Lynne Bowman on Looking Hot and Living Healthfully

What does it take to be hot and stylish at 80 years old? My guest this week, Lynne Bowman, shows us how it’s done. Known for her book Brownies for Breakfast, Lynne blends timeless wisdom with practical health strategies, proving that high-energy living is possible at any age.

We dive into the power of self-presentation and why style is more than clothes; it’s how you signal to the world how you want to be treated. Lynne also shares her no-nonsense advice for eating well, the role of muscle strength, and the hidden impact of sleep.

She also shares her sweet and sassy stories from the ‘60s. You won’t believe who she dated!

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Dear God, please let me be as sexy, stylish and fun as Lynn Bowman when I'm 80 years old or even now. That'd be good. Oh my gosh, this is a good conversation and stay till the end. You're not going to believe the famous person that Lynn dated in the 1960s. This might be one that you actually want to watch on YouTube so you can see her. And please subscribe while you're over there. So you might know by now that I reversed my heart disease and lost 20 pounds by eating a whole food plant based diet. I made a free cookbook with my favorite recipes for you. So after the show, head over to, well, elephant.com to grab it. And if you're really ready to take control of your health in reverse disease like I did, check out my online class Ace Plant Based Eating. Okay, here is Lynn Bowman. Hi friend, are you looking to age healthfully, confidently and vibrantly? Then this podcast is for you. Smart, slightly salty, irreverent, and thought provoking. I'm Lauren Bernick and this is age. Like a badass mother. Author of Amazon Best selling Brownies for breakfast Lynn has been featured at Women's Expos across the country, teaming up with actress Deidre Hall to write and publish Deidre Hall's Kitchen Close Up and Deidre Hall's How Does She Do It? She's won national awards as a creative director for Silicon Valley companies, was creative director at Ian Jay Gallo Winery, advertising manager at Red laboratories and freelance for advertising agencies in San Jose, Los Angeles and New York. She has also worked as an actress, makeup artist, screenwriter, illustrator, legal journalist and possibly the worst television weather person in the history of broadcasting. You can get in touch with her at Lynn bowman.com L, Y and E both Wmaz woman. Welcome this fabulous badass lady Lynn Bowman. Welcome. First of all, how much do I love the fact that badass is right there in your title? I mean, yes, in the name. Let's do this, girls. Yeah. I mean, oh my gosh, I don't even know where to start with you because you've had such like an a crazy illustrious career. But just tell me some of the highlights and, and how you got to where you are. And you just shared with me that you are in your 80th year. If you guys you have to look at this on YouTube. Oh my God, this woman is gorgeous. And and how much do we always love to hear that? But I also come from a time before the dawn of time. Because I'm this old when we do things very differently and we thought differently, and what was in front of us as women was so different. And I love talking about that long because, you know, the young'uns and I'm happy to say I have some wonderful youngins in my life, both my own kids and some friends who are 20, 23, 25. You know, they are coming into a very, very different world than I did. And so, you know, when you read my resume and believe me, that's just a chopped, very, very edited version. Ten but back in the day, you know, we did whatever there was to do. We lied, we cheated. We, you know, borrowed things to make it look like we could do a thing because it there was just so little available except teaching, nursing, you know, as you all know. Yeah. Yeah. Tried. Why think. But what did you want to be like? What? What put you on this trajectory for all these creative things? We always just a creative entity. The what I wanted to be, I think as I, as I really work hard to think back before the dawn of time, what I wanted to be was a fashion illustrator. I loved clothes and, you know, costume. And I was always doing art, and that just seemed like the and that was the thing that didn't bother anybody. That was a just fine thing for a girl to do. Yeah. And so I was able to go ahead and do that and, you know, then things kind of change as you grow up. Big moment in my life was when my mother died when I was 18. So. And she had been ill for a long time, chronic disease, which actually goes to our other, conversation that we're going to have pretty soon. And so I, at the age of 1920, I forget exactly one way ticket to Europe, to Paris, you know, no phone, no money. I had a passport and, guts. No, I wasn't too smart, so. Oh, that's not true. Well, but you know what I'm saying? I. What were you going there to do? I was going there to be a fashion illustrator of that. Okay, so you were still just. You know. That was my cover coming up. I was going there because I had just always thought, okay, Paris, Paris. That's where I'm going to go. Because it was everything that I thought was wonderful and cool. I'd been at UCLA for three semesters. Boring. It was just, you know. Yeah, I can remember sitting in a geology class with 500 other overprivileged, bored people in the dark going at the why? Why am I here? You know, I've just had this horrible my mom was gone, but also my dog was gone. My house was gone. My dad had gone on to a different life. My siblings were gone, so all my tethers were cut. And it was 1966 was 64 when I graduated from high school. And those, if you've got any sense at all of the history of civil rights or anything, those are very seminal years. You know, the world was on fire, it was changing. And we didn't know what was going to happen. Kind of like now in a ways. But, I just thought, okay, I'm going to Paris. That's that. And so were you. A fashion illustrator there? I did some, and it was pretty decent. There's one one kind of up behind me. But I didn't have that burning thing that that was going to be, you know, my life. I just thought, well, this is fun, you know? And, and so. And I ended up going to Bordeaux nannying, staying friend. I went to University of California at Bordeaux for a few weeks something, and then went to Paris and met up with friends and, you know, we we didn't plan everything out back in the day. I mean, there might have been an unusual. Maybe you were one of those who thought, okay, I don't care. I'm going to be a doctor, you know, or a lawyer, you know, a great author or something. But it didn't seem to me like there was much point in planning, because what was that going to look like? I mean, I didn't even know I always wanted to be a mom. I wanted to have a family, want to have a home because mine was gone, I think. And and that felt like it would be grounding and wonderful. But that also seemed remote in many ways. So, you know, I with the thing I knew how to work. I had worked since I was 12, 13 and I liked working, you know, whether it was nannying or, or, you know, helping set up tables or whatever it was. I was fine with that. And, so when I got back to the United States, I don't work, by the way, it wasn't as difficult in that time. And I couldn't write, which I didn't even think was a thing, you know? But, yeah, I could put a sentence together and put a paragraph together, and, I went to work for it, Cannon Electric in LA. And I'm going to tell that story because I hadn't been there very long. And one of the vice presidents came down to the basement where I was in the publications department, and took me aside after a little conference with my boss and said, you know, we really can't dress this way here. You need to dress more professionally. I had on a mini skirt I had on. I can still remember the dress. It was a little yellow number. Very short and cute and little puffy sleeves. And, you know, I had just come back from London and Paris, and so, of course, I was trying hard to look like Twiggy, you know, and and not doing a bad job of that. But in corporate America, it was just, who is the girl downstairs in publications, you know, get her out of it. Dressed in her cute mini skirt. Yeah. Which, you know, also, I don't know how different your background is in it, but I got fired a fair amount of times. Oh, yeah. I think that's hugely forming. I mean, I think that's a big, fat part of being badass in a way, because. Fired sign. Yeah. See you. Okay. Bye bye. Moving on. Yeah. What was. So what were some of the things that you did? And how did you end up, like, being a creative director and writing these books with Deirdre Hall and. Well, the story goes on with the yellow mini dress. I mean, I actually, I probably was there for a few more weeks, but then a guy came in, was talking to my boss, and he came over and talking to me, and he said, you know, I, I am working for this company out in the Valley. That's a great cosmetic company. They're new. They're interesting, they're doing a thing. So funny thing, I found myself out there applying for work at Redken Laboratories, which was at that time privately held, rather small in Venice. And the president was a woman named Paula Kent. And I was there about three weeks, and I went in on a Monday morning, and everyone but me had been fired in the advertising department. Well, so guess what I said I'll handle it. It's I mean, you know, I'm like, 21 years old and just full of myself and loved Paula Kent and loved the job. And I was surrounded by all these wonderful men, these gay men who were in the beauty business and so fun and different than the guys I've been working with at it. Can electric. So I told her I would work my butts off and do everything to pull it. And by golly, I did. For the next 3 or 4 years, and I asked all my vendors to teach me everything they knew. So the job also ended up being this graduate course in printing and paper reproduction and, you know, advertising, media, buying all of it. These people who were selling to me were more than happy to teach me how to buy from them. So I loved it. I mean, it was all swell. And, had a great little apartment on Coldwater Canyon and rode my bike to work, which she made me park in the back because she thought it was tacky to have bicycles in the front of the office. So, you know, times change. So exactly. That's cool. But I love the job. And then I suddenly woke up one day, and I can't even completely remember what my thinking was. Except I am going to be 45 years old and single, and, my life will be gone and I will have been here in this company the whole time. So, you know, pretty soon there I was off for Europe again. And instead of taking a hiatus or, you know, whatever, I just kissed them all goodbye and thanked them and left. And, what did I do next? And how old were you at that point? I think I was 25. So you stayed there a few years. And so I did her freelance stuff, and then. Oh, then I went to North Carolina to see my brother, who was doing some work back there, had a development, and I met a guy on a horse show. How many stories start? Like, I. I met a guy at a horse. Show that a guy had a horse show horse. And we got to talking and he said, what do you do? And I don't know, I made up some shit. And he said, well, we're looking for someone at the NBC affiliate here in Wilmington, North Carolina. You want to send me a real ID? So guess what I did, Laura. You made a real animal. Were real. And incredibly, he hired me. And so I packed up my stuff and talking about Deidre and what we did together. One of my earliest memories of her, I met her, actually. She was a hair model. She was a model, like, just freshly minted. So she was on, soap opera. Right. Well, exhaustion. Days of our lives. Okay, she's. Still on the air, and it is going to continue to be on the air. Don't you bet. Oh, wow. Yeah, yeah. I didn't realize that. This is 50 years. She's still in it. Yes, she is, doctor Malina Evans, the wise and sexy, and beautiful, psychiatrist. And, you know, person who. Oh, my. Gosh. Wait. So how'd you meet her? So she was a model, and I hired her to be a hair model at Redken. But the way we've already talked about. She walked in the door. I had seen this beautiful head sheet of this glamorous blond, you know, and I thought, wow, she's looks like, you know, the American. And she's just, you know, hair. And so. Okay. She's perfect. She walks in the door and she's very skinny and freckly, and she looks at me and I look at her, and we just fell madly in love. I mean, you know, I, you know, when that second. Okay. You're my people. Yes. Yes. You just know. She was faking it. I was faking it. But we were both making it. Faking it, you know? It was. Okay. You weren't faking it. You were. You were making it. Well, so. Okay, so then you're in North Korea. So I was in North Carolina, and I was about to have my I had, married a fella, and I was about to have my first baby, and she came back to stay with me. And then she got this offer from Days of Our Lives. And so she had to leave before the baby actually was born. And he is going to be 50 in a week. That baby. Gosh. And she's been on Days of Our Lives for 50 years. That's incredible. And so is this where you were the worst weather person? Yes, in Wilmington, North Carolina. And what why were you the worst weather person back there? With my fabulous wardrobe and attitude and everything. And they he had to explain to me that, they were going to start me on whether it's like, wait, I was going to do news. No, you're going to do weather. Okay. Of course, I did not know dep about whether. I mean, I grew up in LA, I was born in Hollywood. It's sunny, sunny day every day in weather. I had never seen any, so it was awkward to say the least. And I'm sure they had had a storm. They'd had a 100 years and it was just it went downhill from there. And it ended the way many jobs for young women. And, I don't need to tell the whole story, but, I was out of there, I read in part of your autobiography or your biography that you and Deidre Hall, wrote this book and it's, you know, what is what beauty is and why it matters. they include never shop for clothes or accessories with a child, a dog or a head. Is there a sexual man? I love it and then know which stores or brands offer clothes whose fit models match you. And I think that's so important because I know that there are stores where I can't shop because I'm like, this is for tall people, or this is. But tell me some of those things that went into this book, how this book came about. These things are so interesting to me because I think style and the way you present yourself matters a lot. We are soul sisters, my darling. You know, this is a thing that people feel a little awkward about sometimes. We seem to have separated style and costume into the very wealthy ones who can afford stuff that we wouldn't if we could. You know, where it's all about the money. And then the rest of us, poor little schmooze, who have to buy stuff at regular retail and and that's an artificial obviously thing. But but still, we seem to be buying the story that if you're not wearing Jimmy Choos or, you know, Manolo Blahnik or whatever, you're just not cool that if you're not wearing good jeans, you're you're not okay. And there couldn't be anything further from the truth. And I, I'm having so many thoughts about this right now for a number of reasons. One, I watched an incredible, well, I will say incredible a fascinating it was credible and it was fascinating documentary last night about the fashion industry and how behind behind cars and airplanes, I think it was fashion is the biggest waster and user of fossil fuels on the planet, and the biggest creator of plastic waste on the planet and fast fashion. Yeah. Let that sink in for yes. Yes. You know, and so number one, ladies, we're not in the 70s anymore. We're not in the 60s. 50s anymore. This is a new time when we need to really think deeply about where our costumes, our clothes come from and how often we think we need to replace them. And as of last night, I'm never been anything again. I'm done. You can buy them at thrift stores. I buy a lot at vintage or thrift stores. I really do. Ever since I heard about that. Solutely and my daughter and I both love fixing old things for ourselves and putting appliques on them and adding a pocket and so on. I thought I was a little odd that way, but and the young ones are really into vintage shopping. I'm thrilled to hear that. But what are some things that women should be? What are some things we should have in our wardrobe? Talk about the fit model thing, because I don't think people realize that about their body types and. Well, yeah, it it seems almost, kind of, I don't know, old fashion now, but there are definitely. I'll give you 1 or 2 examples. Eileen Fisher is definitely me because that's a common one. We've all seen Eileen Fisher. If we haven't bought Eileen Fisher, we've seen it in the magazines and in the malls. And that is definitely for, a woman of, you know, sort of mid to larger stature, you know, someone who who doesn't want a waistline emphasized, someone who, wants to be a little bit hidden by their clothes. And Eileen Fisher does a great job of making those comfortable but sort of chic things for people who don't want something fitted. None of it is. Can you fit it? Can you get that at, Nordstrom Rack? I feel like I've seen that at Nordstrom or Nordstrom Rack. I think you can probably and then a TJ Max probably too. And even discounters are probably carrying Eileen Fisher. Yeah. At this point. But yeah that's the one that I would suggest people are really familiar with. And then there are some let me because I'm typically not shopping in this size zero zero. Section like these are. More. But I would say gap as another common one goes from mid-sized to much smaller, but from size 12 up you're probably going to be in trouble there. And the fit model idea is do you have broad shoulders? Do you have a tiny waist? You're going to have to find the brand that cuts for broad shoulders, or a tiny waist, or a not so tiny waist, and there are so many of them out there that it's a little hard. I've always loved shopping when I've shopped at the TJ Max's of the world, because all the pants are on one rack, and you can pick up ten pairs of pants and take a ton. Of. Fitting room and go, okay, this brand and work this brand and work this brand, and okay, here's a brand that works. And then when you go back to the rack, you can pull more of that fit model from that brand in that size then. And they'll they'll work for you. I was talking about, the brand that I absolutely no, I cannot wear is an Taylor loft. They used to have one at my mall, and that's for, I think, tall women. Like, I'm kind of petite. I'm like five foot three, but I was like, this is not. Nothing has ever looked good on me in that store. So if you're tall, that might be a good store for you. But what are like some basics we should have in our wardrobe that can like so we don't go out looking all swampy every day in our yoga pants. And I mean, you can even cued up your yoga pants, I think, with like, boots and stuff. But tell tell us some. What would we do without yoga pants? I know I live in them, but yeah, tell us some some things that, you know, women should have in their wardrobe or some. Some style tips. Well, okay. But I'll also start with if you do a little something with your hair. And I think I can illustrate that on camera here, I do nothing with my hair. I pull it back in a little knot and, and and I and it still doesn't work quite right. And I slick it back. But I've obviously made an effort and it's not in my face and not in my way. Now, if I had your hair. I was going to say, mine's in my way and in my face. Should I be like, I probably should. I would just go out in the hair, I wouldn't, I wouldn't need to wear anything else. That's all I would need. But so start with the attitude that whatever you have on is working. It's right. So comb your hair. You know, put some lip glue on. And, I mean, I'm still wearing stretchy black things all the time, and there are a lot of people who say, oh, black, black. I'm so sick of black. Well, I wear black and white sometimes I wear black and hot pink sometimes. Yes. But, you know, we all want comfort now. And as well, we should, How do I prescribe this? It's a whole kind of a bigger question because it's about you. It's about what you want to project, what you look like. And when I'm teaching the young ones about it, what I always say is dress the way you want to be treated. And so in my case, I try and dress like deposed royalty. I love it, I love it. That's not for everyone, but it can work, you know, if you want to see it on a bus or whatever, it's, I mean, if you have a couple of cute jackets. 2 or 3. My favorite trick. And this is not exclusive to me in any way. And, something you see reusing is when you have a few three, 4 or 5, whatever. Pretty nice jackets that fit that are the right cut for you, that are your colors. You're you're kind of set because underneath that stretchy black thing, pair of jeans, white t shirt, you know, it doesn't take much if you're if your pants fit reasonably well or if they're meant to be loose. But you have that jacket and then you have scarf and, you know, a little bracelet and you're good to go. I think that's good, I think, and, you know, you can those those are some of the things that maybe you want to spend a little more on because it's something that's going to be like a staple that you keep in your wardrobe. And maybe you go to a department store where somebody can actually help you, not like TJ Max, but you can pick up. I'm not saying you can't get something at TJ Max, but that might be something where you go to an actual department store and have somebody really who might understand body types and, you know, help you get something that looks really good on you. Grab your gay best friend and go to TJ Max. Well that's true. Or just your girlfriend who really gets it, who will be honest with you. And you know, there's no it doesn't. Just tell you it looks good. Your girlfriend's saying, well, you know, I like it in the front, but when you turn around, I mean, the butt's just not working. Right? You need somebody else's honest face on you. I think if you're shopping, seriously, shopping. And you don't need to pay a ton for a good jacket, but it does need to fit. And it does need to be in your colors and it needs to be in a not crazy right now style. I mean, I'm think more classic and is sort of, unfortunately, Ralph Lauren's my fit model. Okay, but that's good. Never for retail. You never, never. I mean, you know, but that's that's the look that seems to work for me. And, and so I will, of course, look for rip offs of that, but it's for me, it's a, it's a pretty tailored, pretty conservative kind of, jacket and things to go with it. That's, that's really good. I feel like we should move on and talk about your book. Brownies for breakfast. What? How how did this book, get birthed? And what brought this on? You mean this one that I just happened to have? This one. Just happened. Have. It's a beautiful book. This got birthed. How? I'm diabetic, and, I'm type two diabetic, and I have been since my 40s. And because there was very little good information available and the doctors were not helpful, I have been teaching myself for decades how to stay healthy and what that involves. And I also know mother, single mother, for most of it of three kids. And I was also, as we've already discussed, working all the time. So I learned how to eat very healthy and feed my children in a healthy way, but I had to be able to put it on the table in 15 minutes after we got home, and it had to be cheap. So that's what this book is, is how and why. You know, I do some explanation here, but no sort of cellular biology bullshit. I just wanted somebody to tell me, what do you eat? What do you do? Tell me what to what I should do. And and I don't want, you know, 200 pages of explanation. Physics. You know, all of it. I just don't have time for that. So I did that book for you. For anybody who wants to know what to do to get to eat very old and crusty, and, healthy. And still healthy. Well, so is this book whole food plant based? Seasonal? Whole food. Is this book whole food plant based? It absolutely is. It's real food. Whole food plant forward, plant based. But I include the hacks for everybody. If you want to eat fish, great. Here's how. If you want to eat some meat, here's what. Here's how. If you want to be vegetarian, good. Just do this. If you're vegan, here's a hack for that because it's not really very different. The main thing that I talk about that is so hard for people to, you know, even now, knowing what everybody knows is you have to quit sugar. And I don't mean slow down or be careful or manage it. I mean, can I be potty mouth here? Is it. Okay? Yeah, of course you can say whatever the hell you. Want and I say fucking quit. Yes. You can say. It because after you quit, your chemistry will change. In three weeks, your saliva will change, will be different. Your food will taste different, your skin will already look different. And so it's a very rewarding thing actually to do. Unlike a lot of dieting, you don't have to wait six months. You know, you will see this and feel this, but so many people, I mean, it's emotional, right? It's deeply psychological. People don't want you to take their nannies away. Their treats, you know? But what I offer for you are treats that are better than the ones you're eating more beautiful. Way healthier and easier to make, but you just make them with different stuff? Start spilling of how you get to be eight years old and look the way you look. Tell. Let's, like, let's get to the meat of the the situation here. Lynn, what do you do? What do I do to look the way I look? Yes, to look so gorgeous. I mean, you really do. You're so youthful. And, I mean, not that we want that to be the goal. Maybe that's. I'm not saying this right, but I mean, you do. You just look absolutely stylish and extraordinary and just chill. Aside from eating well, what do you do to take care of yourself? Oh, I'm going to have. To play this over and over again so I can hear it. In every moment of the day, what I do is I eat well. And that's why I'm here, talking to you. And anyone who will listen. How to make your skin look good. Eat well. No crap. Stop stop, stop, stop eating crap right now. That's number one. Absolutely. And same for energy. You know, you cannot have energy if you don't put it in. And. And if you are eating fast food, if you're eating out of a bag or a box, you're eating crap. For the most part. You don't know what's in that food. I know it's fast. I know it might taste kind of good in a way, but no, you can't, and you cannot be 80 and happy if you're not healthy for the most part. Maybe there are people who are unhealthy at 80 who managed to find a way to be happy. But I think your chances are way, way better if you are healthy and you're not depending on someone else to take care of you at that moment. What do you do for exercise? Okay. Good point. I was going to go there because I am not alone in this. Lots of information, lots of studies coming out about how weight training, resistance training is essential for us. And as it happens, we have a wonderful little local gym, with a wonderful trainer, Tiago, who, is great with all of us women of a certain age because he's trained, I mention that physical therapy trained because if you are of a certain age, you need to be careful not to be working with a trainer or in a gym where you can get hurt. You want to be sure you get guidance, especially because if, like me, you had never done a lot of weight training or upper body kind of stuff. I mean, we were doing the Jane Fonda thing in our dancing or doing, you know, the salsa stuff, which are good. But when you start weight training and, my, my high so far has been a deadlift of 90 pounds, which sounds like a lot, but if you know how to use your body to do that, you can do it. I just I needed to be taught. Most of us do need to be taught how to manage that kind of weight. another really, really important thing is to eat your last food no later than five, four in the afternoon. Stop eating so you can. You know. What? I'm not doing a good job of that. Not very few of us are. And of course, it's a luxury if you've got kids to feed and you know, you got that thing that happens when everybody comes home at six, 7:00, maybe they don't get home from practice till eight, whatever, that's a problem. But for you, if you are the one managing all that and yourself and your sleep, first of all know that you cannot heal. None of us can heal our cells, can't heal unless we are in deep REM sleep. Did you know that? Yes. So many people I think don't know that have never heard that. Well, I talked to experts about sleeping all the time, so yes, I do. I did know that. And if you listen to this podcast with any regularity, you've probably definitely heard that idea. But I have not heard to stop eating by 4 or 5:00. And why is that? So you can digest and then tell me why autophagy. Doctor Greger did talk about that on the podcast. He was a pioneer. And a lot more people, a lot more people are on that boat now. But it's the it's the process by which your cells renew themselves and get rid of the bad cells that aren't working anymore. It's a cleansing process that can only take place when you stop shoveling food in. And so you need to leave a minimum of 14. Better yet, 1516 even more hours between your last bite and your next bite. And it's only when you kind of do the math and go, okay, well, if I've eaten it five, then, my next meal is not until maybe 8 or 9. The next morning. That's that's plenty of time. Yeah, that's plenty of time. Well, so what you're you're kind of talking about intermittent fasting then. And I guess what for me, like I would probably what I do is a little bit different because I finished eating by like 7:00 at night, but then I don't eat till later the next day, maybe 10:00 in the morning. So I kind of am doing the same thing.

But, you are ten, 11: 37:17

00. Okay, but I'm just on a different schedule because I cannot. Yeah, I need to do it a different way. To improve the quality of your sleep, to scooch it a little earlier and see if you don't have a better sleep pattern by leaving more time between your last meal and when you turn the lights out. But I go to bed late, which I know is not good either, but I go to. I mean, I probably don't go to bed till midnight, so.

And sleep till like 8: 37:49

00. I mean, I'm on it, I'm on it. I'm on the summer schedule. I don't know what to tell you about life, but that's about.

I sleep like, midnight to 8: 37:56

00 generally. So you're making a face. I mean, look, this is this is just in my life. I don't know what to tell you. I've tried different things, but my husband stays up till, like, 3 or 4:00 in the morning. We're not. We're not doing. I know, I know, I'm not. Look, I can't even start to touch his schedule because that's what he does. But he sleeps later. But, I, you know, I just go to bed later. That's just how it is at my house. If that's what you got to do, that's what you got to do. But if you're having trouble sleeping a thing, you can try. Any of y'all listening to this is leave more time between your last meal and when you turn the lights out. And in almost every case, you'll find that you have deeper, longer, better sleep with an empty stomach. you have a favorite health or beauty product. I love bioidentical topically applied hormones. That's. Yeah. Okay. It's definitely a beauty product. They're compounded by someone I know. And if you buy them, they'll be compounded by someone you know. And, they're not particularly expensive when you compare. I can't believe what people are paying for cosmetics now. I mean, where do you is. This is this something? So this is what I was telling you. I was the director of advertising for a compounding, journal that went to compounding pharmacies for 25 years. So, yeah, I've read up a lot about it. I, I think that that's a interesting way to go. Do you what kind, do you get and where do you apply it? On your body or the does it have like, estrogen to testosterone? You just don't go. And I'm using progesterone and I'm use them on my face. They supposedly are to go kind of around your eyes and and then you run. You do this with the progesterone until it soaks into your hands. And she's rubbing her hands together for people who are just listening, okay. Rubbing my hands together. And, I use them twice a day, morning and night. And, you know, the question was. I think I just asked you what your favorite health and beauty product was. What else did I ask you? Oh, I. Asked where you apply it, what it is and where you apply it. Okay, so I didn't know if that was. I apply the estradiol all over my face. I did, and I could do that. And I do that because the doctor who prescribed them for me, a friend, Doctor Selma Rasheed, look her up. She's got a great book out. She said it's the best night cream you'll ever use. You know, it's not it's not made to be a night cream, but, I think she's right. And again, you know, the the cost of these creams and potions that I'm seeing now. And yes, I have occasionally found myself in Sephora. My excuse is I have a granddaughter who is 17, so, yeah, sometimes, you know, you'll accidentally fall in the door. So what. Happened? I woke up and I was in Sephora. Yes, I I've had that. Crazy, you know, and I came out with these samples, right? Yes, I know, I love it. Well. Oh, what's your I love it, I know that, what's your favorite concert you've ever been to back in the day when I hung out at the Palomino Club in North Hollywood, which you wouldn't know because you're a young chick. I don't know, but a lot of the biggest acts in country music came through there. But there were only maybe 50, 60 people in the room in the audience. So I got to meet them all and, and, enjoyed it thoroughly. And then when people like the stones or the Beatles came to California, that's where they hung out, because they wanted to meet the people they admired, you know, Buck Owens and and, Oh, yeah, Waylon Jennings in The Crazy Guys, Charley Pride. So. Charley Pride was my first concert. I was at, at the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo when I was like ten years old. That was the first person I ever saw was Charley Pride. Well, he and I sat in the back of the Palomino Club, and he played his songs that he was writing for me. Oh, I mean, he played them for me. He wasn't writing them from. Right, but he was darling. And, And I've always been mad for musicians. I love hearing them and talking to them and understanding their process. And, so I feel really privileged to have done that. Oh, concert. You know who I, I, I went to Las Vegas to see Elvis. I actually. Oh, wow. Okay. That's a big one you forgot there. Hello. Well, it's just that, you know, the the musicians have been a big part of my life, but I never thought about it being concerts. And I think he was one of the few that I actually paid you know, retail to, to be there at the same time that there was a convention of operating room nurses who, believe me, when he came out and he was in his glory, he was slender and just coming back for his big comeback. And that wonderful music would would play, you know, for him to come out. And those women were throwing their wigs on the stage. I mean, did you not? They were out of their minds. It was, oh, I believe it. And the lounge, the, the free lounge act was Tina Turner. I can take what I know. Wow. Okay. Well, so you did. I knew you had something. That's got. Me. You had a story in you. What a, have you ever dated or anybody famous. Why do I feel like you have. I didn't hear that. Can you repeat that. Did you ever date anybody famous? Yeah. Who is that? Do you want to share? Let's hear it. Actually, it's it's kind of a sweet story if you've got some more time. Yeah. Tell me. I just had a feeling you dated somebody. I don't know why. Well, there was more than one, but, I mean, I was in LA, you know, but the story that that I think is, is the most fun for me to remember is that I went to my 20th high school reunion, broke ass, divorced, you know, kind of a mess. And as many of us are at that point, it's kind of a rough time of your life. And my girlfriend Dee gave me the clothes, just me all up, and sent me off to the. I think it was the Hilton in Pasadena. And, one of my acquaintances got to me and said, Lynn Parmenter, aren't you? You're the one in the book. And I went, what book? And he said, oh, didn't you know, the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar just came out with, an autobiography and you're in it. And, what my first thought was it was the 60s. Hey, but so, of course, I went out immediately, as soon as I could get out of there and found a copy of it because it was just hitting the stands. And there it was, a number of pages about how I had just disappeared from his life and gone away. And, and I had no clue more that I was his first big crush. He was a year behind me at UCLA, and he was in my English class, and I had told him that I really enjoyed what he was writing and, you know, thought it was brilliant. And so we would sit under the trees the way you do when you're in college. And he would bring me a book of poetry and we'd read it and we talk about Ferlinghetti and all those things, you know, brilliant, smart things that you do in college. And I really, really like enormously brilliant, bright, bright guy and living a difficult life. I mean, here he what I didn't know deep about basketball, never went to the games, couldn't care less. And he was such a remarkable looking person. You know, he was so tall and black and, you know, not the usual kind of guy that you would see, wandering the halls of UCLA just for his size. And, and so he couldn't escape, you know, here was someone who was so marked by the way he looked and then his fame. I mean, he he was. Was he already famous? Yes. As a freshman at UCLA, he was everywhere, but not in the places that I was seen. I mean, because I didn't watch TV and I, you know, I didn't I wasn't in that world. So he didn't realize, I've already told you, I left UCLA after three semesters, I, I went to France. I never said goodbye. I never thought I needed to say goodbye, you know? Wow. And then you end up in the book. And he broke his heart and. Opened the book. And so I went back to work at an advertising agency in San Jose, a day or two later and, called his office and said, you know, just tell him thank you that I read it and thank you. It was really sweet. And then my office phone rang about a half an hour later, and it was him. And so we were able to get together a few times, you know, quite a bit for a while. But he lived in L.A.. I lived in San Jose, you know, I had three little kids. He had a family. We were both between marriages. And, I love him. Always. Will always have, you know, but, it just it wasn't a thing that could happen. And I have to say, I don't know how women who have lives and careers and so how you make a good life with someone in athletics, professional athletics, you become that there is no room for anything with that in your life. Yeah, I think there's some reality shows about that. I think you're absolutely right. He he's an extraordinary person. I mean, just, from the movie airplane, like he was so funny in that movie. Like, how long ago was that movie? And I still remember his performance, and I still remember he was in it. He was so that, genuine and funny. And you could tell everything just. Yeah. Yeah. And he's a, he's a lot of guy in there, you know, there's just so much going on. He has a Substack, by the way. I recommend for every. Oh he does. Yes. And so does Lin everybody Lin has a Substack as well. And interesting I appreciate connecting that way with y'all. Anybody who wants to connect, I try to answer anybody who talks to me on Substack. And, I haven't been good about doing it every three days or every five days or whatever. I'm a little erratic, but who cares? The previous doesn't matter. You would enjoy reading his take on, things, I think. Yeah. Super smart. Good. Well, Lin, thank you for sharing everything with us. You're just. A. Wonderful human. And I loved getting to know you. Thank you so much. Thank you. And let's do it again. Yes, let's do it again. Thanks for listening, friend. From my heart to yours. Be well. Until we meet again.